Mantic Games - Dread Ball

[txapo]

Añadido el orco bestia ese!! van a por 200k para confirmar que hacen la segunda temporada (empezar a trabajar en otros 4 equipos!!)

[Kurt]

Ey kurt. Mirate q paquete te sale mejor. Quizas tengas q añadir gastos d envio 15$. Tu pagas a kiclstsrter y ya te contactaran xa envios y demas

Gracias, mephi

Si estás por Barcelona, cuando salga el Dreadball si quieres lo probamos.

[Mephisto]

Ey kurt. Mirate q paquete te sale mejor. Quizas tengas q añadir gastos d envio 15$. Tu pagas a kiclstsrter y ya te contactaran xa envios y demas

Gracias, mephi

Si estás por Barcelona, cuando salga el Dreadball si quieres lo probamos.

Cuando baje d nuevo qdamos. Pq no lo hablas con vegeta, warrior y co? Con lo jugones q son igual os montais una liguilla.

[txapo]

http://youtu.be/b9KboIh6lBE

Video sobre como se juega

[tzoscey]

4 keepers por 15$ mas, no es caro pero es otra forma mas que poco a poco el precio ira subiendo, a esto me referia que no todos las metas seran gratis xD

el MVP gratis ya es otra cosa, no se sabe como sera pero ya es unico/promocional

que vayan enseñando metas, que esta claro que la gente ha puesto la pasta de los porteros antes de que esten disponibles xD

Txapo o mephisto, podriais como backer preguntar si la season2 en caso de ir una caja tendra equipos dentro y si alguno de esos equipos seran las nenas?

[Mephisto]

4 keepers por 15$ mas, no es caro pero es otra forma mas que poco a poco el precio ira subiendo, a esto me referia que no todos las metas seran gratis xD

el MVP gratis ya es otra cosa, no se sabe como sera pero ya es unico/promocional

que vayan enseñando metas, que esta claro que la gente ha puesto la pasta de los porteros antes de que esten disponibles xD

Txapo o mephisto, podriais como backer preguntar si la season2 en caso de ir una caja tendra equipos dentro y si alguno de esos equipos seran las nenas?

El post interesante es este:
http://quirkworthy.com/2012/09/08/dread ... 2-musings/

Starting Points

When I design a game, I find that it has a natural size – an amount of rules and number of options that just suits it perfectly. Sometimes it’s big, and other times petite, but if you listen to a game it will always tell you.

I may have said something similar with Dwarf King’s Hold because I wrote a similar article for that. We’re most of the way through that vision now, and I am looking forward to the next (very exciting) step. For DreadBall things are a bit different.

Apart from Mantic having a bit more experience about this whole board game lark (making production and so on much smoother), there is the whole Kickstarter thing. That has a couple of facets which make me very excitable, and neither of them are the money. At least, not directly.

The first thing is that (thanks to everyone’s support) I can get my vision for the game done much faster and probably better than would otherwise be the case. Me telling Ronnie that I want to do 4 boxes of DreadBall games sounds less silly if everyone is keen

Secondly, and probably more importantly for me, it creates an instant community. I don’t know about you, but I am often an early adopter of any game that isn’t one of the top 3. That means I am the one investing time, money and effort finding the game, learning it and then trying to persuade enough people locally to have a viable group. The internet is a bit of a game changer in many ways, but it still doesn’t get me local games. I’ve been reading a lot of forums lately, and have posted quite a bit myself. Talking to people, I’m getting a strong impression that whole groups are getting on board with DreadBall, and people are going out and persuading their friends that it’s looking like something to keep an eye on. And, of course, it is

What all of this means is that instead of a shiny new box coming out and you being the first to get it, there will be a whole community of gamers on the day of release. And for a game like DreadBall which has so much entertainment value lurking in a set of league rules, this is really valuable. It’s a very different situation, and one made possible only by the enormous support the Kickstarter has had so far. Of course, the bigger it gets the bigger this community will be, which is a real win all round.

So thank you for your support, and for those who read this after it has closed, you missed a really exciting time



4 boxes?

Like I said, a natural size. At least in my head. I’ll talk about the 3rd (Ultimate DreadBall) and 4th (DreadBall Xtreme) tomorrow because I can already see that this is going to be a bit long. For now, let me focus on DreadBall and its immediate expansion: DreadBall Season 2.

DreadBall is a stand alone game, designed to be entirely self contained. There is no need for you to go and buy a bunch more stuff. Except that you will want to because it’s cool

The DreadBall box includes complete rules for one off games and leagues, as well as 4 teams and 8 MVPs. It’s not half a product, because that’s not how I do things. It’s a whole game. Let’s be clear on that.

However, I often struggle to fit my whole idea into a single sane size of product. It’s usually bursting at the seams with ideas, then I have a few more and they have to go somewhere – hence an expansion. DreadBall Season 2 is an opportunity to add a little bit of chrome to the rules with some Coaching Staff, Cheerleaders (because everyone wants them – and why not), 4 more teams and as many MVPs as I can fit in. The core rules won’t change (they don’t need to), and the extra rules will be there purely to allow those additions. I’m very conscious of the cleanliness and sleekness of the system as it stands and don’t want to bury it under fiddly nonsense. Always have to keep a weather eye out for that.

Abilities are a good way to define the character or style of a team or MVP, so I’d expect to include a few of those. A lot can be done with stats, combinations of player roles and so on, but every now and again you need to stick in something new.



Which Teams?

Glad you asked.

This quartet of new teams has undergone a number of iterations so far, and this isn’t entirely final though I feel like we’re getting close.

Ladies First. Yes, the girls really ought to go in here. They are still humans, and will have human stats the same as the Trintek 29ers, but there is a spin or two I’d like to introduce to change their playing style a bit and make them a separate team in their own right. I think I can do this without adding any new rules too, which is a bonus. Needs more playtesting though. Of course, you could still use the miniatures to play as a 29ers sort of human team if you like.

It came from… who knows? It’s the ZZor, and they’re not telling. This is one of the Warpath races which hasn’t seen the light of day on those battlefields yet, but which we might get to see first on the DreadBall pitch. nasty, nasty bitey things, so lord knows how they got to be in teams. Maybe mind control devices and shock sticks, controlled breeding programmes, stunt doubles or some other cunning piece of showmanship. Perhaps their hive minds just like a bit of sport. I suspect their Guards might be quite mean.

Robots! Well it’s the far future, so it would be rude not to. I had a really cool (in my head, anyway) idea for this team, and have sort of dumped a production headache on Mantic. I want the team to be able to change roles as the game goes on. Not like Transformers visually, but a similar idea of mutability. The headache is how to do this as models. However it works it will probably be a bit more effort and cost to collect a robot team because you will need the extra models when they change role (as different player roles will look different). Still, none of the teams is a huge investment, and at Mantic prices I can’t see that people will grumble. Especially as the idea is so much fun. Need another Striker? Sure, I’ll just swap this one out. Should be crazy on the pitch.

Judwan. Who? Well they are made up aliens (it’s science fiction, remember). These were spawned by an MVP I was working on, whose race suggested a whole different play style, and that’s what you need for a really good new team. I’m going to try them out with only Strikers, and we’ll see if they work as see them in my head…

As you can see, it’s a varied bunch.



More MVPs

I want to draw from a few sources for this. There will be some weird aliens, some more for the existing races, plus specific MVPs for the new teams. I’d also like to include a few jokes and you might find homages to some real world sporting legends. Just because I can



Season 2

Overall, Season 2 will add greater breadth to an already tactically deep game, and this in turn will add even more depth to the tactics and counter-tactics (especially for leagues). With more teams and more MVPs the combinations of possibilities for really interesting matches just gets even bigger.

I look forward to the debates about which team is best

Keeper/Guardameta



Jugador estrella edición limitada (gratis en Striker):



Pues ahora, con el siguiente stretch goal ($235,000):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/174 ... f=activity

More Free Figures!

Everytime we hit a goal that allows us to create a new team we will:

- Add one free figure to Jack!

- Add two free figures to Striker!

With the optimal starting number for your team being around 10 figures (6 on the pitch and 4 on the bench will start you off very nicely!), we wanted to make fleshing out the rest of your teams a bit easier... so we've only gone and done the unthinkable!
Buy a team and get one free!

Add any Season 2 Team (starting with the Female Corporation) to Striker! for $25 and we’ll give you any other Season 2 Team absolutely free. If we get past Season 2 and onto Ultimate DreadBall or DreadBall X-treme, we’ll keep the deal rolling.

There are a few things to bear in mind:

- Offer only applies when you add a Season 2 Team to Striker! or above because of the postage involved (and we don’t want to charge more for something as dull as shipping!)

- You can choose from any combination of Season 2 teams (it can be two Female Corporation Teams or One Judwan Team and One Z’zor team for example)

- This offer does not apply to the “Season 1” teams - Skittersneak Stealers, Midgard Delvers, Greenmoon Smackers or the Trontek 29ers.

All of the teams will remain available individually at the special Kickstarter rate of $20. Check out our FAQ at the bottom of the front page for more details on how to add an Extra to your pledge.

Currently we’ve got one Season 2 team available (Female Corporation) and as Jake states, we’ve got a total of four planned for this expansion…with this being the next one!

Es decir, a medida que se lleguen a stretch goals que permitan producir equipo, el pack Jack se lleva una mini gratis, Striker! se lleva dos. Además, si te pillas un equipo por 25$ de la segunda temporada, te llevas otro gratis (o sea un 2x1). Esto lo seguirán aplicando en la temporada 3. Es decir que te puedes llevar los 4 equipos de la temporada 2 por $50. Aunque si quieres te puedes pillar dos veces a las chavalas, como tú quieras.

Los equipos de la temporada 2 son los siguientes (está puesto arriba igualmente):

Ladies First. Yes, the girls really ought to go in here. They are still humans, and will have human stats the same as the Trintek 29ers, but there is a spin or two I’d like to introduce to change their playing style a bit and make them a separate team in their own right. I think I can do this without adding any new rules too, which is a bonus. Needs more playtesting though. Of course, you could still use the miniatures to play as a 29ers sort of human team if you like.

It came from… who knows? It’s the ZZor, and they’re not telling. This is one of the Warpath races which hasn’t seen the light of day on those battlefields yet, but which we might get to see first on the DreadBall pitch. nasty, nasty bitey things, so lord knows how they got to be in teams. Maybe mind control devices and shock sticks, controlled breeding programmes, stunt doubles or some other cunning piece of showmanship. Perhaps their hive minds just like a bit of sport. I suspect their Guards might be quite mean.

Robots! Well it’s the far future, so it would be rude not to. I had a really cool (in my head, anyway) idea for this team, and have sort of dumped a production headache on Mantic. I want the team to be able to change roles as the game goes on. Not like Transformers visually, but a similar idea of mutability. The headache is how to do this as models. However it works it will probably be a bit more effort and cost to collect a robot team because you will need the extra models when they change role (as different player roles will look different). Still, none of the teams is a huge investment, and at Mantic prices I can’t see that people will grumble. Especially as the idea is so much fun. Need another Striker? Sure, I’ll just swap this one out. Should be crazy on the pitch.

Judwan. Who? Well they are made up aliens (it’s science fiction, remember). These were spawned by an MVP I was working on, whose race suggested a whole different play style, and that’s what you need for a really good new team. I’m going to try them out with only Strikers, and we’ll see if they work as see them in my head…

Imagen de los Judwan:


Ya he vuelto de vacaciones, mañana si pasa algo más actualizo.

La verdad es que con todo lo que sale, yo me apunto al carro. Aunque haya stretch goals no gratuitos, sino que son descuentos o 2x1, pillarme cuatro equipos completos, pues como coleccionista...

[Mephisto]

Creator Mantic Games 25 minutes ago

@ Arto - 8 models in a team box, +2 in Striker

@ John - undead team? they'd be 'armless

It's really cool when a player dies - you can either pay the hospital fee and have him revived, or you can sell his body for organs on the black market >:D

O sea que en cada caja de equipo van 8 modelos (y los que tienen striker! le vienen dos más).

[Mephisto]

Nuevo update (#34):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/174 ... game/posts

Se han alcanzado los $220,000 y Wyn Greth'zki ya está incluido en el stiker! pack!

Dicen de llegar a los $235,000, pero sin poner más stretch goals lo veo difícil (y eso que espero equivocarme).

[Cannonball]

Nuevo update (#34):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/174 ... game/posts

Se han alcanzado los $220,000 y Wyn Greth'zki ya está incluido en el stiker! pack!

Dicen de llegar a los $235,000, pero sin poner más stretch goals lo veo difícil (y eso que espero equivocarme).

Hombre, el 2x1 de los equipos de la Season 2 está animando un poco la recaudación

[tzoscey]

yo aun no tengo claro en que consistira season 2 y si llevara algun equipo en la caja, para poder asi no ponerlo como extra
cuanto habeis puesto en el pledge? 150+ cuanto mas? cad vez esta cebando mas el nivel jack de 100 que antes lo tenian olvidado, la diferencia son los 2 equipos extras y los mvp, que esta claro que si los equipos son 20$ cada uno y los mvp por 10$ extra sale a cuenta, pero el nivel de striker cada vez se sube a la parra, 150+ keepers 15+ los 50$ por los otros 4 equipos.
yo creo no q no dicen uqe tendra la caja de season2 para que la gente se pille los equipo antes

la siguiente meta es otro equipo, los elfos o los robots, y la siguiente el que no sauqen en esa xD en medio pondran algun mvp y asi hasta 8 o 9 MVP mas, crucemos los dedos que sigan siendo gratis.

sobre los keepers, 15$ por 4 figuras de plastico me parece un precio razonable, lo que me parece una sobrada es que digan luego los vayan a poner a 7'5$ cada keeper, q son de plastico no es ni la resina cutre de GW.

durante u momento del dia de ayer se sufrio una deshinchada de los pledge xD en vez de subir la cantidad bajaba, o parecia la bolsa xD

estoy contigo meph, cuantas mas metas enseñen, mas incitan a la gente, pero tambien hay que contar con el efecto "que me pilla el toro" y tienen que ir preparandolas con cuidado xD no es lo mismo que diga la meta con que pongan el dibujo, le den un tranfondo

[Mephisto]

Txapo o mephisto, podriais como backer preguntar si la season2 en caso de ir una caja tendra equipos dentro y si alguno de esos equipos seran las nenas?

Alessandro Pietro Saullo:
@ Mephisto - Here's what I understood:
Depending on the actual contents that Jake decides to put in the book, Series 2 will either be just a book or a boxed set containing book + accessories (counters, new cards, but no miniatures);
This of course depends on wether or not the expansion will need new counters and cards.

I may be wrong though!

[Cannonball]

yo aun no tengo claro en que consistira season 2 y si llevara algun equipo en la caja, para poder asi no ponerlo como extra
cuanto habeis puesto en el pledge? 150+ cuanto mas?

Para España son 150+15$ de gastos de envío, más todo lo que vayas echando

[tzoscey]

Para España son 150+15$ de gastos de envío, más todo lo que vayas echando

los gastos de envio los obvio xD pero hasta ahi llegaba xD
yo pillaria el striker mas los trofeos , mas los keepers, mas los equipos que han enseñado por ahora, (las chicas) que por 5$ mas hago el "x2" usease 150 + los 15 del envio+ 15 de keepers +10 de trofeos+ 25 por las chicas. se me dispara el precio xD pagar mas de 100 pavos por un juego, no se a vosotros pero me da un poco de hurticaria nerviosa aunque stenga todo lo que saquen del juego xD unas 69 figuras +3 figuras+ otro equipo por ver aun xD
pero yo soy de los backers de ultima semana xD

mephisto, sabemos quien es ese alesandro? es alguien de mantic? o es otro funder?
poruqe si es asi... y te dan una copia digital de las reglas con el kickstr... solo por las cartas y counters , igual no compensa pillarselo xD cosa que no me parece logico que lo hagan asi ... solo por eso, lo digo, no porqe no piense uqe sea falso

es cosa mia o han dicho que habria un equipo de solo strikers? eso que es, una invitacion a que todo el mundo te pegue? xD algo parecido a los stunties?

[Mephisto]

Para España son 150+15$ de gastos de envío, más todo lo que vayas echando

los gastos de envio los obvio xD pero hasta ahi llegaba xD
yo pillaria el striker mas los trofeos , mas los keepers, mas los equipos que han enseñado por ahora, (las chicas) que por 5$ mas hago el "x2" usease 150 + los 15 del envio+ 15 de keepers +10 de trofeos+ 25 por las chicas. se me dispara el precio xD pagar mas de 100 pavos por un juego, no se a vosotros pero me da un poco de hurticaria nerviosa aunque stenga todo lo que saquen del juego xD unas 69 figuras +3 figuras+ otro equipo por ver aun xD
pero yo soy de los backers de ultima semana xD

mephisto, sabemos quien es ese alesandro? es alguien de mantic? o es otro funder?
poruqe si es asi... y te dan una copia digital de las reglas con el kickstr... solo por las cartas y counters , igual no compensa pillarselo xD cosa que no me parece logico que lo hagan asi ... solo por eso, lo digo, no porqe no piense uqe sea falso

es cosa mia o han dicho que habria un equipo de solo strikers? eso que es, una invitacion a que todo el mundo te pegue? xD algo parecido a los stunties?

Alessandro es un funder, igual que nosotros. Pero es de los que se pasan el dia enganchados al foro.

El equipo Judwan es el que pretenden que sea solo strikers (pero está en pruebas aún).

En cuanto a lo de second season pues aun no está claro si solo es libro o viene caja completa. Estaré atento.

[Mephisto]

Mañana en principio sacarán unas reglas para principiantes para los indecisos que quieran ver cómo funciona el juego:

We will have a Special DreadBall Newsletter coming tomorrow where you can will be able to get our DreadBall Starter Rules - if you're on the fence because you want to know more about the game, then you'll want to grab tomorrow's newsletter!

Perdón por los múltiples posts, pero van saliendo novedades cada dos horas.