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El_Nota escribió:A mí que cobrasen el agua (0.5L) a 3€ me parece un robo de juzgado de guardia. El medio litro de cerveza por 4€ igual me parece un pelin caro pero es que 3€ por el agua.... me sorprende no ver más comentarios al respecto.

Enhorabuena a esos arbitros buenos que salvaron los muebles el viernes y sabado.

Al final la gente se cruzaba al centro comercial de al lado a comprarse la bebida en el super. Todo muy caro la verdad

Echale un ojo al Facebook de Panicoblack...

Manuel escribió:¿Alguien ha escrito alguna crónica interesante?

Por aclarar: estoy pidiendo salseo. No me interesa contra quién jugasteis, si metisteis muchos TD, o si os tocó jugar contra otros equipos españoles. Quiero algo a lo que hincarle el diente.

Esto es lo que pone como resumen del torneo el team Alfea en su racebook

"And now something completely different from what we had expect to write as a tournament report; despite the team final result respects more or less our expectation, the way it has come includes episodes that shouldn't happen in a world cup.

Lets start from the beginning, on thursday we came to the location to get the badges, gadgets and of course the skill rings;
we sent the rosters two mounts in advance to let the organizers crafting all the skill rings in time, and it turned out that the work wasn't complete yet.
Looking at the queue it was clear that at that point the staff should give up with the whole skill rings thing and continue the tournament letting the players to mark the skill as they have use to do before, but they didn't.
The queue was like 5 hours long the first day, and it continued in the morning with a big delay on the tournament schedule.
We are sorry to write that this is the first factor that gives a final negative experience from the tournament.

Go back on friday, we have to wait more than two hours to get the final pairings, even if a streamed pairing draft was done before the competition.
Finally we made the first game and... we still had to wait five hours for the second game.
We can understand that when software problems occur it may takes long time to fix these, but why not letting the players going to rest after a tiring thursday and morning?
So we made the second game totally not in the mood, and friday turned out to be even worse than thursday.

Last day1 game and the three day2 games are now all to be played on saturday, so again the players have to pay for the lack of the organization. Normally it is okay to sustain four games in a day, it is not the best option when the players come from two very tiring days.
It is at the end of game 5 that the worse of the tournament came. We were playing with azes team, we had the table in control with 6 points at 99% and badstorm at a score of 2-1 with not enough turns left to his opponent Silkoun to score two touchdowns.
Then, silkoun said that they had played one turn less than the badstorm counter was counting.
Badstorm remembered to silkoun that silkoun often had forgot to move the counter so that should be one of those situations, but silkoun, probably realising that he needs one turn more to win the game, decided to ask to a referee one more turn.
One referee came at the table and made his investigation to discover which one of the two players was lying. Badstorm had a clear version, while silkoun contradicted himself three times during the investigation, so evidently that the referee asked silkoun why he was contradicting himself with no answers.
Then the referee made the coward choice to roll a dice to estabilish which turn it was, even in front of verbal evidence of lying by silkoun.
We consider silkoun behavior totally unacceptable and unfair, and also we consider the referee system totally inadequate for such an event.
Considering that we were playing on table1, he shouldn't go for a random choice. This is still what it happened, and it cost us the round and the world title. We will never forget this, we will never forgive this. After that decision the game went on and silkoun continued to "forget" moving his turn counter each turn, and this to the referee wasn't still enough for being an evidence.
Last to mention about this episode, when we all understood what was up, we started an obvious and righteous verbal complain with the referee and silkoun; here is where the azes captain moved aggressively to yena and pushed him with the chest, looking for violence.
Again, we can't understand how the azes managed to finish the world cup with no red card. And in these days we find on french forums that the French comunity thinks they acted fairly, chapeau. Since we have nothing to hide we write in english, so every man involved in this episode may apologize with team Alfea for his wrong behaviour, as we have read too many gentlemen referring to us as cheaters, most of them not even knowing us.

After this we had to push more than what we deserved to get the tournament victory, so on table 1 last game, Diomlord can't save the tie in his match and has to go for the win (also due to a final snake eyes for 16th turn touchdown in ATP game), and he got a loss for a table loss. We lose correctly the final match to a strong opponent, with a final placement in fourth position."

Manu, ahí tienes salseo y yo creo que hasta puedes hincarle el diente.


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Salsa de la buena. Me pierdo lo mejor...

Jazmin escribió:Esto es lo que pone como resumen del torneo el team Alfea en su racebook

"And now something completely different from what we had expect to write as a tournament report; despite the team final result respects more or less our expectation, the way it has come includes episodes that shouldn't happen in a world cup.

Lets start from the beginning, on thursday we came to the location to get the badges, gadgets and of course the skill rings;
we sent the rosters two mounts in advance to let the organizers crafting all the skill rings in time, and it turned out that the work wasn't complete yet.
Looking at the queue it was clear that at that point the staff should give up with the whole skill rings thing and continue the tournament letting the players to mark the skill as they have use to do before, but they didn't.
The queue was like 5 hours long the first day, and it continued in the morning with a big delay on the tournament schedule.
We are sorry to write that this is the first factor that gives a final negative experience from the tournament.

Go back on friday, we have to wait more than two hours to get the final pairings, even if a streamed pairing draft was done before the competition.
Finally we made the first game and... we still had to wait five hours for the second game.
We can understand that when software problems occur it may takes long time to fix these, but why not letting the players going to rest after a tiring thursday and morning?
So we made the second game totally not in the mood, and friday turned out to be even worse than thursday.

Last day1 game and the three day2 games are now all to be played on saturday, so again the players have to pay for the lack of the organization. Normally it is okay to sustain four games in a day, it is not the best option when the players come from two very tiring days.
It is at the end of game 5 that the worse of the tournament came. We were playing with azes team, we had the table in control with 6 points at 99% and badstorm at a score of 2-1 with not enough turns left to his opponent Silkoun to score two touchdowns.
Then, silkoun said that they had played one turn less than the badstorm counter was counting.
Badstorm remembered to silkoun that silkoun often had forgot to move the counter so that should be one of those situations, but silkoun, probably realising that he needs one turn more to win the game, decided to ask to a referee one more turn.
One referee came at the table and made his investigation to discover which one of the two players was lying. Badstorm had a clear version, while silkoun contradicted himself three times during the investigation, so evidently that the referee asked silkoun why he was contradicting himself with no answers.
Then the referee made the coward choice to roll a dice to estabilish which turn it was, even in front of verbal evidence of lying by silkoun.
We consider silkoun behavior totally unacceptable and unfair, and also we consider the referee system totally inadequate for such an event.
Considering that we were playing on table1, he shouldn't go for a random choice. This is still what it happened, and it cost us the round and the world title. We will never forget this, we will never forgive this. After that decision the game went on and silkoun continued to "forget" moving his turn counter each turn, and this to the referee wasn't still enough for being an evidence.
Last to mention about this episode, when we all understood what was up, we started an obvious and righteous verbal complain with the referee and silkoun; here is where the azes captain moved aggressively to yena and pushed him with the chest, looking for violence.
Again, we can't understand how the azes managed to finish the world cup with no red card. And in these days we find on french forums that the French comunity thinks they acted fairly, chapeau. Since we have nothing to hide we write in english, so every man involved in this episode may apologize with team Alfea for his wrong behaviour, as we have read too many gentlemen referring to us as cheaters, most of them not even knowing us.

After this we had to push more than what we deserved to get the tournament victory, so on table 1 last game, Diomlord can't save the tie in his match and has to go for the win (also due to a final snake eyes for 16th turn touchdown in ATP game), and he got a loss for a table loss. We lose correctly the final match to a strong opponent, with a final placement in fourth position."

Joder casi llegan a las manos

Mmmmmmmhhhh... delicioso.

O sea que al truño del gestor y falta de flexibilidad de los organizadores hay que añadirle mal rollo en las mesas superiores, acusaciones cruzadas de trampas y amenazas de violencia física. Se han lucido estos centroeuropeos. Para que luego digan de los del sur.

Esto es lo que pasa cuando te alejas del CRP y permites que GW meta la zarpa y que los receptores humanos valgan 60k. Justo castigo para la NAF.

Manuel escribió:Mmmmmmmhhhh... delicioso.

O sea que al truño del gestor y falta de flexibilidad de los organizadores hay que añadirle mal rollo en las mesas superiores, acusaciones cruzadas de trampas y amenazas de violencia física. Se han lucido estos centroeuropeos. Para que luego digan de los del sur.

Esto es lo que pasa cuando te alejas del CRP y permites que GW meta la zarpa y que los receptores humanos valgan 60k. Justo castigo para la NAF.

A ver... si bien coincido en lo de la falta de cintura y todo lo que dices... el castigo no lo sufrió la naf, sino los 1500 o más jugadores que se dejaron la pasta, el tiempo y el esfuerzo de ir al Mundial.

Manuel escribió:Mmmmmmmhhhh... delicioso.

O sea que al truño del gestor y falta de flexibilidad de los organizadores hay que añadirle mal rollo en las mesas superiores, acusaciones cruzadas de trampas y amenazas de violencia física. Se han lucido estos centroeuropeos. Para que luego digan de los del sur.

Esto es lo que pasa cuando te alejas del CRP y permites que GW meta la zarpa y que los receptores humanos valgan 60k. Justo castigo para la NAF.

Tampoco hay que sacar las cosas de quicio. El tema de la casi pelea parece que fue algo concreto de un equipo, el resto del ambiente entre jugadores fue muy bueno o a mi me lo parecio. La cagada fue en el tema de los skill rings del día de registro y la jodida del software que les petó.

Tampoco sé que tiene que ver GW con eso, lo mismo hubiera pasado si se hubiera jugado con el CRP.

Nada, es una broma para los que están en el grupo de wassap de BB del norte.

Lo lamento por los jugadores, sobre todo porque el desembolso económico no compensase las expectativa, por lo que he leído.

Por otro lado, el caso es que entre los organizadores había al menos 2 personas de la directiva a mi juicio muy permisivas respecto a la inclusión de absolutamente toda novedad de GW en el reglamento, de ahí la referencia. No es que me caigan mal (ni fu ni fa), pero no me sorprende en absoluto la cerrazón y el apego al protocolo que describen los que padecieron aquello.

Manuel escribió:Nada, es una broma para los que están en el grupo de wassap de BB del norte.

Ah, vale jejeje

Manuel escribió:Lo lamento por los jugadores, sobre todo porque el desembolso económico no compensase las expectativa, por lo que he leído.

Fue una putada el primer día por la espera, no saber que va a ocurrir y la perdida de tiempo. Pero los otros dos días fue bien. Un poco decepcionante pero por suerte se pudo arreglar.

Manuel escribió:Por otro lado, el caso es que entre los organizadores había al menos 2 personas de la directiva a mi juicio muy permisivas respecto a la inclusión de absolutamente toda novedad de GW en el reglamento, de ahí la referencia. No es que me caigan mal (ni fu ni fa), pero no me sorprende en absoluto la cerrazón y el apego al protocolo que describen los que padecieron aquello.

No sé hasta que punto la genre de la directiva tuvo algo que hacer. Por lo que dicen los rumores parece que fue más una cosa de quien programo el software, que no quiso mucha ayuda. También es verdad que poco se puede hacer si uno ha hecho toda la programación, alguien de fuera poco ayudará sino más bien estorbará. Para mi el problema ha venido de antemano, de querer hacer algo nuevo cuando lo de Lucca funcionó tan bien. Han querido ser mejores y han demostrado lo contrario. Espero que para el próximo mundial tomen nota, coger lo de Lucca y hacer pequeñas modificaciones para mejorarlo y ya.

Lo de la inclusión de las reglas de GW, bueno, aquí en España somos muy reacios a ello, pero fuera no es así. Hubo muchísima gente nueva, que había empezado a jugar a BB hace poco y evidentemente no conocen todo el pasado de GW con el BB y estaban encantados con las nuevas reglas

dreamscreator escribió:No sé hasta que punto la genre de la directiva tuvo algo que hacer. Por lo que dicen los rumores parece que fue más una cosa de quien programo el software, que no quiso mucha ayuda. También es verdad que poco se puede hacer si uno ha hecho toda la programación, alguien de fuera poco ayudará sino más bien estorbará. Para mi el problema ha venido de antemano, de querer hacer algo nuevo cuando lo de Lucca funcionó tan bien. Han querido ser mejores y han demostrado lo contrario. Espero que para el próximo mundial tomen nota, coger lo de Lucca y hacer pequeñas modificaciones para mejorarlo y ya.

Hasta el punto de que Torstein (organizador principal) es el programador

Dragon's Cup official account has spoken.

A mi lo que me flipa del tema de la petada del gestor es que lo habían probado en la Bilbali y ya había cascado allí. Los organizadores de la Bilbali se toman las molestias de mandarle un e-mail con los 12 problemas que identificaron y que les hicieron tener que cambiar de gestor a mitad de torneo y llegas a la WC y, no solo sigue petando, sino que no tienen un plan B por si acaso, visto el precedente.

Dragon's Cup escribió:Hasta el punto de que Torstein (organizador principal) es el programador

Con lo de directiva entendía directiva de la NAF. Fue todo parece una canezonería y altaneria de Torstein por lo que todo el mundo habla.

Dark Duke escribió:A mi lo que me flipa del tema de la petada del gestor es que lo habían probado en la Bilbali y ya había cascado allí. Los organizadores de la Bilbali se toman las molestias de mandarle un e-mail con los 12 problemas que identificaron y que les hicieron tener que cambiar de gestor a mitad de torneo y llegas a la WC y, no solo sigue petando, sino que no tienen un plan B por si acaso, visto el precedente.

Eso confirma que ha habido un problema de ego máximo de los organizadores y el programador bestial.