Noticia Bomba!!! La Nueva Edicion en Junio

[Shumy]

No se tendre que ver bien todas la habilidades pero no me convence mucho por ahora... seguro que con combos de habilidades eres el rey de los trilladores pero primero teiene que subirte un gerrero del kaos 2 veces para conseguir eso(y todos sabemos que para eso hacen falta muuuuchos partidos!)

Por cierto, lo que no acabo de entender y me gustaria que se lo preguntaseis de buebn rollo es:

PARA TRADUCIR
En su liga hay algun equipo que no vaya bien o que no tenga records de victorias? porque hasta ahora todos los equipos que le hemos preguntado dice que van la mar de bien i que estan en el top 10!!!! (alguno tendra que perder para que todos ganen tanto) Hasta los goblins dijo que iban prmeros o no se que!!

[Grotuk]

Galak
I don´t know if anybody ask about it but... Why now "Claws" are so...light?
Before you can destroy elves, norses, skaven... with this skill but now... doesn´t work!
I prefer +2 an armour but why do you change it?

Because all the AV and INJ skills now stack. Mix Mighty Blow with the new Piling On and you'll destroy Elves, Norse, and Skaven just as well as you ever did with Claws. Add in Claws and now you get the fun of destroying Orcs and Dwarves also. So we just increased your fun.

Galak

Porque todas las tiradas de Armadura y Herida ahora son acumulables. Mezcla Golpe mortifero con la nueva Aplastar y destrozaras elfos, nordicos y skavens mejor que cualquier vez que lo hayas hecho con garras. Añade garras y ahora pasatelo bomba destrozando orcos y enanos. Asi que hemos aumentado tus posibilidades de diversion.


Añado yo: Garras ha sido nerfeada de base porque todas las mutaciones asi lo han sido, para poderselas dar con tirada simple a los Caos y Nurgle....asin que no te quejes amigo Eban :p

[Grotuk]

Hi Galak,
Taking off ageing sounds good, mummies will be more expensive but... what about Woodies?
Are we so good, that there's no plan to change them?
We want to survive a game versus a basher team

The biggest change that will help the Wood Elves is that a Wood Elf team that drops below 11 players can now get free one game players until they have 11 players for their next game. Always fielding 11 players means that Wood Elves should be able to stay competitive even if they get bashed. The Wood Elf teams in my league are doing pretty well so far with the new rules.

Galak

El mayor cambio que puede ayudar a los silvanos es que ahora los silvanos que tengan menos de 11 jugadores pueden conseguir de manera gratuita jugadores hasta que consigan tener los 11 jugadores. Siempre teniendo once jugadores (para el inicio del aprtido N. del T) supone que los Silvanos deberían ser capaces de ser competitivos incluso siendo destrozados. Los silvanos de nuestra liga lo estan haciendo muy bien con las nuevas reglas.

[Grotuk]

To Galak:

I'm going to briefly translate what shumy and Frost wanted to ask you:

SHUMY thinks bashy teams have got enough punishing against elfish teams with the reduction of the fouling and kick off table effect, so he can't see the point of the creation of new skills such as "Fend". He states that these teams really need the CAS to keep going and get a chance to win.

We are find CAS as much or more than under LRB 4.0 rules. Now that Mighty Blow and Piling On stack we've found the bash teams do pretty well at getting CAS still. Khemri, Norse, Orc, Dwarf, Chaos and Nurgle are all in the top 10 win % teams in my league right now. So I think the bash teams are still do fine.

FROST would like to know why the probability of causing a niggling injurie has been halved.

One of the goals with PBBL was to encourage players to retire players more often. Niggles were reduce by stat reductions were increased. The overall odds of getting a permanent injury are the same as LRB 4.0.

Galak

-Hemos visto que las Bajas son tantas o más que bajo las reglas del LRB 4.0. Ahora que el Golpe Mortifero y Aplastar se acumulan hemos encontrado que los equipos pegones consiguen muchas bajas. Khemri, Norse, Orcos, Enanos y Nurgle estan en el top 10 de porcentaje de victorias en mi liga en este mismo momento. Asi que creo que los equipos pegones siguen haciendolo bien.

-Una de las metas con el PBBL fue incitar a los jugadores a retirar jugadores más habitualmente. Los permanentes fueron reducidos por las reducciones de caracteristicas que fueron aumentadas. Las posibilidades de conseguir una herido permanente son las mismas que en el LRB 4.0

[Grotuk]

No se tendre que ver bien todas la habilidades pero no me convence mucho por ahora... seguro que con combos de habilidades eres el rey de los trilladores pero primero teiene que subirte un gerrero del kaos 2 veces para conseguir eso(y todos sabemos que para eso hacen falta muuuuchos partidos!)

Por cierto, lo que no acabo de entender y me gustaria que se lo preguntaseis de buebn rollo es:

PARA TRADUCIR
En su liga hay algun equipo que no vaya bien o que no tenga records de victorias? porque hasta ahora todos los equipos que le hemos preguntado dice que van la mar de bien i que estan en el top 10!!!! (alguno tendra que perder para que todos ganen tanto) Hasta los goblins dijo que iban prmeros o no se que!!

Shumy Asks:

Is in your league any team performing bad? Cause all the teams we ask you are getting a couple of records or are at the top 10. Someone must to lose.

My questions:

After a proof read this weekend (i was bored and i didnt want to study ) i get some doubts:
- When a players fail Going For it, he is Knocked Down. Did this mean i must roll the armour? This appear to be not so clear. I supossed to do but maybe a newbie have more doubts.
- The journeymen (the ones you get to fill your 11 players) count for TR? I also supossed YES but not sure.
- Why do we need to nerf the Ogres? I think they do well, but not superb with goblins but now with snotlings they are going to be a pain. They need to get some boost to be reliable. Maybe General access? Or maybe allow to field 12 or 13 players. I love the ogres, but (as many TBBers complain) this team is more a snotling team). Also think about the nerfing of the TTM. Maybe another solution is to give AG 4 to the snotlings, i'll make easier the landing.
- Last but not least: Any chance of add a little explanation of the type of each deck of cards? Now all of them look pretty similar to me. In 3rd edition was a clear fuction of each deck.

Again, thanks a lot for your time.

[Grotuk]

Despues de una lectura más detenida este fin de semana aquí van mis dudas:
- Cuando un jugador falla Forzando, este es Derribado. Significa esto que debo tirar por armadura? Me parece que no queda muy claro. Yo supongo que si pero quizas un novato dude más.
- Los journeymen (los que llenan el equipo hasta 11) cuentan para el TR? Supongo que si, pero tampoco lo tengo claro.
- Porque habeis nerfeado tanto los ogros? Creo que lo hacian bien con los goblins, pero no demasiado bien, pero ahora con los snotlings van a ser un dolor. Necesitan algun tipo de incentivo para ser mas controlables. Quizas acceso a generales? O quizas permitir jugar con 12 o 13. Amo los ogros, pero ahora parece mas un equipo snotling. Piensa también que el Lanzamiento de compañero a sido empeorado asi que una solucion podría ser dar Ag 4 a los snotlings para ayudar a aterrizar mejor.
- Por ultimo. Alguna posibilidad de añadir un parrafo con una breve explicación de lo que puede aportar cada mazo de cartas? En 3era cada mazo tenia una funcion bastante clara pero ahora no está clara la función de cada uno.

[JokinBilbao]

Miedo me dan esas nuevas reglas...

Ahora que me había acostumbrado a la LRB4 me sacan esto.

[Grotuk]

One last thing, why add Fan Favourite skill (trait, excepcional or whatever) been so unusual. In the past i cant understand it with Thrud but now...being only gain by one player at the Spike tourney, i think it's a waste of space, dont you think?

Una ultima cosa, porque incluir la habilidad Favorito de los Hinchas cuando es tan poco habitual. Antiguamente si tenia sentido ya que la tenia Thrud, pero ahora que solo la gana el mejor jugador al final del torneo Spike no tiene mucho sentido, yo creo que es una perdida de espacio, no crees?

[Pakulkan]

Bueno, yo tengo una nueva pregunta: Al respecto de los nuevos equipos, hay algo más previsto? Hablo de Bretonianos o algo así.

Well, I have one more question: About the new teams, have you something else in your mind? Like Bretonians or something like this.

[eban]

...nerfeada...

¿De donde has sacado esta palabra?

La explicación del pq la modificacion de la habilidad "Garras" no me convence. Aunque las habilidades se puedan combinar como aplastar y golpe mortifero sigues necesitando dos subidas para ese combo.

Los equipos con acceso a mutaciones tenian la posibilidad de conseguir esta habilidad que es la que marca las diferencias la hora de trillar al rival. Ahora ha dejado de ser un beneficio exclusivo a algo práctico para jugar contra equipos con mucha armadura pero misteriosamente defectuoso contra equipos con baja armadura.

(Si alguien lo quiere traducir para que se entere Galak que lo haga, yo estoy mu perro ahora. Lo siento...)

[GalakStarscraper]

Shumy Asks:

Is in your league any team performing bad? Cause all the teams we ask you are getting a couple of records or are at the top 10. Someone must to lose.

Yes some teams are performing badly ... but that is still good as they are supposed to be teams that aren't that good such as Vampire, Halfling, Goblin, and Ogre.

The stats on how each race are doing in my league can be found here:
http://www.blood-bowl.net/MBBL/?show=Ra ... e&dir=DESC

Please note that some of the races are things that we were testing different versions of existing teams to see how they would do in a league. For example, the Dark Elf, Dark Rugby, and Dark Runners are all Dark Elf team version that we were testing. Likewise Norse and Norsca; Amazon and Amazonian; Wood Elf and Woody Elf.

The Slann, Brettonian, and Chaos All-Stars are new rosters that we are testing for Jervis to see if they are balanced in league play as possible new teams for any future editions.

After a proof read this weekend (i was bored and i didnt want to study ) i get some doubts:
- When a players fail Going For it, he is Knocked Down. Did this mean i must roll the armour? This appear to be not so clear. I supossed to do but maybe a newbie have more doubts.

The rules state "On a roll of 1 the player trips up and is Knocked Down in the square that they moved to. Roll to see if he was injured (see page 11). " Should probably say page 12 with the current format ... which says the following on page 12: "Unless the rules state otherwise, any player that is Knocked Down may be injured. The opposing coach rolls two D6 and adds their scores together in an attempt to try to beat the Knocked Down player’s Armour value. If the roll succeeds, then the opposing coach is allowed to roll on the Injury table in the next column to see what injury the player has suffered."

- The journeymen (the ones you get to fill your 11 players) count for TR? I also supossed YES but not sure.

Page 38: "A Journeyman is always a player from the 0-16 position on your team's roster, counts his normal rookie cost towards your total team value"

- Why do we need to nerf the Ogres?

Because they are killing machine mosters at higher TRs. I haven't talked to more than a couple coaches who feel the LRB 4.0 Ogre team is balanced in a long term league. The changed roster with only 6 Ogres can still get pretty ugly to play against at higher ratings, but at least a normal team will have some options to not get destroyed. As for the new Ogre team being unplayable. Comparatively the Ogre team with Snotlings is doing about as well as the Lizardman team for winning in my league. I'm playing one right now and it really has been a lot of fun. Not everyone's definition of fun I'm sure ... but fun to me. Our top Ogre team is 15th in the league with a 3 win - 1 tie record. http://www.blood-bowl.net/MBBL/teamView.php?teamid=191
Finally as for the new Ogre team being a Snotling team because it only has 0-6 Ogres ... that would mean the Vampire team is really a Thrall team and the Chaos Dwarf team is really a Hobgoblin team. IE what the team is ... really is based on how you look at it. Given that the team will field more Ogres than Snotlings once developed on the pitch and as the Snotlings get KO'd and injured while the Ogres don't ... you'll frequently be fielding 6 Ogres and 3 Snotlings in the 2nd half. Trust me at that point ... you don't feel like you are fielding a Snotling team. (I play an Ogre team in my league ... also playing Halfling, Vampire, Slann, and the new test roster for the Amazon team (which will not be made official for LRB 5.0 either)).

- Last but not least: Any chance of add a little explanation of the type of each deck of cards? Now all of them look pretty similar to me. In 3rd edition was a clear fuction of each deck.

No room for explanations. The basic idea was that the cost of each deck is more the defining element now rather than the deck name. Only the four 50k decks were really themed. The 100, 200, and 400k decks are a jumble of effects that we felt were worth roughly those amounts.

Galak

[GalakStarscraper]

Una ultima cosa, porque incluir la habilidad Favorito de los Hinchas cuando es tan poco habitual. Antiguamente si tenia sentido ya que la tenia Thrud, pero ahora que solo la gana el mejor jugador al final del torneo Spike no tiene mucho sentido, yo creo que es una perdida de espacio, no crees?

Because even with Thrud gone, I have leagues that are planning on giving out the Spike! Most Valuable player award at the end of each of their seasons.

Right now we have a big race going on in my league to see if anyone can catch the Dwarf Runner for SPPs who currently in the lead (or at least catch him enough to kill him ). This is exactly the type of fun element that does the game good in long run. Having a special skill to create fun side competitions like this only adds to the overall fun of the game and as such ... we could afford a few lines in the rule book to leave the Fan Favourite skill in the rules even with Thrud deleted.

[GalakStarscraper]

Well, I have one more question: About the new teams, have you something else in your mind? Like Bretonians or something like this.

We are currently testing 3 brand new teams. Chaos All-Stars, Slann, and Brettonian. Whether any of them will ever be made official is a question. JJ's order of how he likes the concepts is the order I listed them above. It will probably be a long time before any of these 3 teams would be official with Specialist Games reduced ability to create new figures.

Galak

[Mephisto]

Kafre es Ispurio escribió:
¿teneis idea de separar el equipo del Caos en dos nuevos? diagamos Marauders (Merodeadores) y Bestigors. No es muy alocado pues el trasfondo de WHF los separo hace tiempo ¿no? (Voy a morir a manos de Eban)


Not for LRB 5.0. However JJ is interested in doing this at some point in the future. We are currently testing his idea to see if it would work. That plan was as follows:

Chaos team stays the same, but the Chaos Warrior becomes a Bestigor either with the same stats or Horns and a 10k price raise. This team would be called the Chaos Beastman team.

The Marauder team that we are playtesting looks like this (and is based on the 2nd edition Chaos All-Stars team):
Código:
0-16 Marauders 60,000 6/3/3/8 None GSPM / A
0-1 Goblin Renegade 40,000 6/2/3/7 Loner, Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty A / GSPM
0-1 Skaven Renegade 50,000 7/3/3/7 Loner G / ASPM
0-1 Dark Elf Renegade 70,000 6/3/4/8 Loner GA / SPM
0-1 Chaos Troll 110,000 4/5/1/9 Loner, Always Hungry, Mighty Blow, Really Stupid, Regeneration, Throw Team-mate S / GAPM
0-1 Chaos Ogre 140,000 5/5/2/9 Loner, Bone-head, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Throw Team-mate S / GAPM
0-1 Minotaur 150,000 5/5/2/8 Loner, Frenzy, Horns, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Wild Animal S / GAPM


Galak

I think it's a great idea to go back to the 2nd edition BB concept. But even creating rules for "old" new teams, there's something more that would be nice to bring back from the old rules. What about some optional rules, which would include special play cards (and not that tables) and some other rules that would go deeper into managing aspects the game is missing. What about stadiums, transferring players, draft... Perhaps it could be on an appendix for extra rules, but what about them? Sorry for my english. There's a lot of time since the last time i've written anything on that language

Pregunto sobre si a parte de recuperar otros equipos de 2a edición, no recuperan el espíritu del jjuego de 2a como las cartas (y no la tabla esa nueva q han hecho) u otras reglas que aprofundicen en el aspecto manager del juego como estadios, traspasos, etc que se podrian incluir en un apendice extra.

[Airus]

Notas jocosas y sin animo de molestar:

Donde Grotuk dice 'faltear' quiere decir 'hacer falta'.

Donde Grotuk dice:
'Las 3 razas mixtas demostraron estar horriblemente balanceadas despues de las pruebas asi que nunca serán oficiales. ' se refiere a que estos equipos no estan equilibrados o balanceados. Se entiende la traducción de Grotuk pero por si acaso alguno se cree que estan balanceadas pero son 'feas'.

Donde Grotuk dice 'nerfeado' supongo que se refiere a emperorado, pero 'este palabro' merece una definición en condiciones.

No soy el más indicado para corregir a nadie, pero me parecia divertido.